Comments on: The Fashion Conundrum: Does being fashionable clash with being tznius?

By: lisanoor

lisanoor — Sun, 24 May 2009 22:44:32 +0000

This was a great post !!! and I agree with Erica that modest is back in style. I watched a DVD on the Rebbetzin Chaya Moussia. One of the contributors said the first time she met the Rebbetzin she was in a Chanel suite with coral jewelry very elegant and well turned out. They didn’t mention head covering.

By: Polina Ruderman

Polina Ruderman — Thu, 21 May 2009 00:21:33 +0000

“I honestly feel that an orthodox Jewish women should always be as fashionable and as classy as possible.”
I also feel that way and thats why I started the website that shows off tznius yet fashionable cloth.
http://www.tzniusprincess.com/

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By: Rebecca H. Friedman

Rebecca H. Friedman — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:07:54 +0000

Hey Arielle,
I understood your context and your meaning. I just think, given the way the concept of the Jewish Princess has evolved (i.e. the JAP), those words should not be put together lightly, and it’s not necessarily a way of thinking that we should perpetuate. That said, I wasn’t offended or anything. And if you find this concept a positive one for your own self-esteem, great! It would be interesting to see if the J.A.P. stereotype can be traced in any way to the “Kol Kivuda Bas Melech Penima” saying.

By: bargainjewess

bargainjewess — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:55:43 +0000

Rebeccah, I think you are taking my sentence out of context. There is a saying “Kol Kivuda Bas Melech Penima.” Meaning All the honor of the kings daughter is hidden. Which was Bais Yaakov’s way of telling us A) be Tznius and B) As a Jew you are the daughter of a king. I like this concept from a self esteem view to think of yourself as a princess, and it is a frequent concept that we as Jewish daughters should consider ourselves princesses which was my meaning, not that all Jewish women think of themselves as princesses.

By: Rebecca H. Friedman

Rebecca H. Friedman — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:56:41 +0000

Hi Arielle,
While I do take issue with your proposal that “all Jewish women think of themselves as a princess,” I agree with your basic argument that being fashionable can still be frum. In light of that, thought you might be interested in this article I wrote a while back for the online mag 614, “Should Jewish Women Look Frumpy Or Hot” (I didn’t choose the title): http://www.brandeis.edu/hbi/614/archives/volume1/issue%206/article5a.html
Toward the end I touch on some of the points you made here.

By: Erica

Erica — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 06:04:21 +0000

I agree. I think elegance and class is the most gorgeous and tznius thing for a Jewish woman. Fancy silk suits and designer shoes with tights is just extremely put together. Modesty has come back “in style” so to speak and I think it’s great. On the other hand, I don’t think it’s “not tznius” to follow fashion. The point is that we aren’t too strongly influenced by non-Jewish philosophies and ideas. The extreme is what Jewish women would do if all women started wearing mini-skirts and tank tops…